There goes the world!

[giza]

Well, we're past the point of no return. Bush has finally gone and done it. Could someone explain to me why it's NOT okay when Saddam defies the UN, but it's okay when Bush does it? What the hell?

doniago mentioned an interesting idea to me: have the UN relocate its headquarters to another country. Maybe like... Iraq? Wouldn't that be the ultimate irony!

Whoever the fuck is running against Bush in 2004 gets my vote. Bush got a lot of respect from me after 9/11, and he just blew it tonight...

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[doniago.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I thought Bush handled 9/11 very well, maybe even better than Gore would have, but he cashed in his chips. With interest.

[shenryyr.livejournal.com]

the US drew up the plans for the League of Nations.  Woodrow Wilson, the president at the time, won the nobel peace prize for heading it's creation.

the US refused to join.

the US drew up the plans for the United Nations and actually joined this time.  it has had the strongest hand in UN decisions throughout the organization's history.

a decision counter to US interest is about to be made in the UN, so of course the US now deems the UN as useless.

Bandwagons.

[cjthomas.livejournal.com]

Yay, let's all jump on the bandwagon! I know the furry community in general has its head up its ass with regard to the Iraq situation, but it really hurts me when my friends show such ignorance.

If I think my neighbour is a crook - hell, if I *know* he's a crook and have proof - do I have the right to walk over to his house and smack him silly?

Being a part of society means playing by society's rules, not doing what I want or what I, personally, think is justified. In the first case, this means calling the police and working with them instead of taking justice into my own hands. In the case of Iraq, this means making a case before the UN and only acting if they give authorization. Whether or not you think the UN does a good job, that's still the Right Thing to do.

Bush has just given all nations carte blanche to attack anyone they want if they can make a hand-waving justification of it being defense of their own interests. That's a *bad* precedent to be setting. Disarming Iraq is not worth *that* cost.

Re: Bandwagons.

[unciaa.livejournal.com]

Erm. I'm sorry, but Bush was the first one to say "we're attacking Iraq no matter what anyone else says", then tried to wiggle out when he realized it probably doesn't work that way. If you're surprised that pissed the rest of the governments that are supposed to be their allies in war with off, well, SURPRISE!
There were diplomatic mistakes on all sides, but Bush's were by far the worst as they successfully alienated most of the nations that used to stand behind them. The Gulf War was a joint effort remember? And was done on good faith of US` evidence being correct? Care to explain how come the international position has shifted this much in the past two years? Oh, wait, I know, evil anti-American commies poisoned our bodily fluids, leaving the US government the only one that knows what is right.

And if we're throwing Independant's articles around, how about the one about American soldiers torturing their prisoners to death? Yes, please, I want a country who refuses to be included in international laws and kills their captives to dictate who is to be attacked next without prior provocation or evidence. Hurraay.

Re: Bandwagons.

[rukatiger.livejournal.com]

The Gulf War was a joint effort remember? And was done on good faith of US` evidence being correct?

Iraq took care of all the evidence itself... you know, that whole invasion of Kuwait thing.

That being said, I don't agree with the current war. The UN should have enforced the existing resolutions by sending in a small UN demolitions force to destroy all of those Al Simud (sp?) in one go. None of this one or two missiles a day to buy time by the Iraq government. Hussien should go, but war isn't the right way. With a bit more political maneuvering just about all of the Arab League would be calling for him to get out and setting up a true election in Iraq.

[joshvon.livejournal.com]

Didn't batman get kicked out of the League Of Nations? :-)

(heh forgive me...but i'm an ill informed person and can't make a persuave argument eather way)

[shenryyr.livejournal.com]

so the NPP obviously means nothing.

right, right, they're just like grammy's.

would you like fries with that?

Re: Bandwagons.

[unciaa.livejournal.com]

Hmm... The said evidence that was sold to Iraq by the US and France to begin with during the Khomeni situation? Ah the vicious circle. :)

I agree more agressive a stance could [should] have been taken, but consider who they were taking it against. Would Saddam have accepted that to begin with? If not [and I doubt he would have] it's really a moot point. The resolution called for Iraq's disarmament and they got it, albeit slowly. It did not call for Saddam's removal nor anything else which seems to suddenly be the centre motivation for this war; why? Because he wouldn't have accepted. Dictators don't retire, dictators are killed. The moment he steps off the chair he's as good as dead and he knows it. And fighting rats in corners != good.

[unciaa.livejournal.com]

Freedom Fries?

Re: Bandwagons.

[thraxarious.livejournal.com]

And the US said they would veto the UN resolution for dealing with Iraq because it didn't include provisions to use force... No one's hands are clean here. Bush wanted a war from the start. Diplomacy didn't fail because there never was any to begin with. This war was on the agenda since 9/11 if not before.

There's far more that I could say about this, but I only say: I don't like war. I don't like Saddam, I despise bush, I dispise Bush's cabinet.

oh yeah, just a question, what the hell did Bush do after 9/11 that was so important besides get up in front of a teleprompter and read speeches he didn't write? Most of the work was done by Police, firefighters, Red Cross, and vollenteers.

[shenryyr.livejournal.com]

yeah.  that was way too funny when I read about it :P

guys saying they're gonna freedom kiss the next person they see.