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Douglas Muth ([personal profile] giza) wrote2008-05-28 07:47 pm
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Where do these people come from?

An actual piece of campaign literature that arrived in someone's mail:



This Cheyrl Guthrie person makes me want to projectile vomit.

[identity profile] rassah.livejournal.com 2008-05-29 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
We have common law marriage here in Maryland. It does give a lot of the same rights as full marriage, but still not close to everything. And it still can not be used by same-sex couples :6 Plus I can declare my relationship to be a marriage, and have a wedding as well. Problem is that in the legal system we will be treated as strangers. Are you proposing being able to declare how you think certain parts of the law should apply to you in certain cases at specific times? (As in, yeah, "I may have been considered a witness to a crime last week, but this week I am declaring myself immune to questioning and prosecutions, and thus declare I can ignore that law")
But, valid points all. I guess we, as a people, have decided that there should be a reason for some of these permits, titles, certificates, or whatever, and now we are all dealing with our own consequences.

[identity profile] sagejackal.livejournal.com 2008-05-29 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I suppose I got a little soap boxy back there. :p
Though, I'm not contesting being subpoenaed to testify before a court.
I mean that common law marriage should have the same standing as state certified marriage. As long as both spouses are consenting, who gives a shit?

[identity profile] rassah.livejournal.com 2008-05-29 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The third party that either enforces, or challenges contracts is the party that "gives a shit." Both common law and state certified marriages give rights that are only valid during times of outside influence, be it a challenge on inheritance by a wayward family member, or a challenge on a request for benefits by the government or an insurance agency. That's where a third party, be it a private entity or the government, comes in to enforce or better define the contract. So, if you and your partner are consenting, and have a contract between the two of you, that contract will only go as far as keeping the two of you in agreement over the terms. If one of you dies or becomes incapacitated, you are still strangers and have no contract in the eyes of the people and groups that actually matter :/ I think the only question remains is who do you want to entrust and enforce that contract through: government or a private entity.
P.S. not trying to be soapboxy, either. You have points and facts I had not considered and was not aware of, am glad to learn these from you, and appreciate being able to bounce my ideas off of your brain as it were.

[identity profile] rassah.livejournal.com 2008-05-29 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, that was kinda long on my part, and reading again, I think I may have missed your point. I'm assuming you meant "outside parties should not give a shit as to who enters into a contract, regardless of who those outside parties are." In that case, I agree with you %100 (with extent that the outside parties are absolutely sure that the people entering into the contract are doing it willingly and consentiously, of course :)