I can at least vouch personally that those places in Africa where the US hasn't poked its nose are nice and peaceful, despite being pluri-ethnic and islamic.
*laughs soflty* Sorry, hon, but that was indeed not my point, and in fact I'm a bit chagrined that you'd think me able to seriously make such a crude generalization as 'no US == peace', come on. :) But that's okay, please don't take offense; and please excuse me for tickling your mental automatisms a little, too -- it may be sort of entertaining, but it's not very nice, honestly.
Nah, I already made that point once, a good while ago -- september 2003, if you still have your ICQ history from back then -- and I don't see any need to belabor it. It's between you and yourself, now.
As for keeping you honest, no one can do it but yourself, dear. Here's a general hint, though: if you're not able to provide a serious logical argument in favor of a standpoint you personally disagree with, you are probably not being logically honest. (Yes, it's difficult. Yes, I do try to do it. Yes, I can construct a logical argument that invading Irak was a good move for the US. No, it doesn't have to mean I agree with it.)
This is tangential to the article by Peter Suber that I posted about a while back. It was a good read then, and it still is.
One of the french master divers that came out with the outfit here in Djibouti said that Paris wouldn't grant him a Visa to Sudan. He was to likely to pick up a stray bullet because he was white.
And kip, the places in Africa that are fucked up started going downhill after the British and the French collapsed their economies trying to do what we're doing. 99 percent of third world africa is prior colonized and slaved. Yeah, this shit really IS the white worlds fault and a lot of the continent is bitter about it.... their memory goes back past the revolution. Don't think our purpose out here is noble; a lot of us get the chance to do noble things out here but back home? In the end it's political agenda, just like everything else.
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Date: 2005-09-21 02:05 pm (UTC)Sorry, hon, but that was indeed not my point, and in fact I'm a bit chagrined that you'd think me able to seriously make such a crude generalization as 'no US == peace', come on. :)
But that's okay, please don't take offense; and please excuse me for tickling your mental automatisms a little, too -- it may be sort of entertaining, but it's not very nice, honestly.
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Date: 2005-09-22 08:58 am (UTC)As for keeping you honest, no one can do it but yourself, dear.
Here's a general hint, though: if you're not able to provide a serious logical argument in favor of a standpoint you personally disagree with, you are probably not being logically honest.
(Yes, it's difficult. Yes, I do try to do it. Yes, I can construct a logical argument that invading Irak was a good move for the US. No, it doesn't have to mean I agree with it.)
This is tangential to the article by Peter Suber that I posted about a while back. It was a good read then, and it still is.
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Date: 2005-09-21 02:32 am (UTC)And kip, the places in Africa that are fucked up started going downhill after the British and the French collapsed their economies trying to do what we're doing. 99 percent of third world africa is prior colonized and slaved. Yeah, this shit really IS the white worlds fault and a lot of the continent is bitter about it.... their memory goes back past the revolution. Don't think our purpose out here is noble; a lot of us get the chance to do noble things out here but back home? In the end it's political agenda, just like everything else.