Pride Verus Progress

[giza]

Here's an interesting video that talks about gay pride versus gay progress:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0sNTz18jMg

I think it's an interesting watch, even if the footage is a bit graphic in places.

Those of you are are also furries, I invite you to compare and contrast the issues that are highlighted in this video versus the issues the furry fandom faces in its media coverage.

Comments

[rigelkitty.livejournal.com]

I think this has been argued into the ground already.

[giza.livejournal.com]

Holy crap. o.O

[susandeer.livejournal.com]

Something tells me "No Clickie!"

[duncandahusky.livejournal.com]

Thank you for that link, Rigel. If nothing else, I was hoping that there might be some reasoned discussion on this video taking place somewhere (and plenty of unreasoned discussion as well, but hey - I've done Usenet, this is a cakewalk :-)

For my part, I fall somewhere in the middle ground of the debate - there are many, many shades of gray here. The one thing that I keep coming back to, and what makes me the most uncomfortable, is the question of draws the lines, and who decides what is acceptable and what is not.

I should also say that I'm not looking to debate this here - I think it's somewhat rude to start up a tangential discssion like that in someone else's journal - but I just wanted to note what that video made me think of.

[thraxarious.livejournal.com]

Yep. seen it in a few journals. I think some of the furs have a unique viewpoint on this... seeing as this is likely arguments for a "Burned Gays" movement.

[kinkyturtle.livejournal.com]

So, the message we are to take away from this video is "don't give rimjobs in public"? I'll try to remember that!

[tgeller.livejournal.com]

When I was at the University of Cincinnati, I was fortunate to go to a talk given by Sarah Weddington. Who's she, you wonder? As a 26 (?) year-old attorney, she argued the winning side of Roe vs. Wade before the Supreme Court. (She later assisted Texas Governor Ann Richards and President Jimmy Carter.)

She presented herself as a solid, establishment, big-haired Texas woman. Seeing her mainstream manner (and being somewhat more "radical" at the time), I asked her essentially the same question as that video: "What did you think of the pro-choice marches and rallies at the time? Did they help or hurt your case, and the cause?"

I'll never forget her answer. She said unequivocally that both sides are necessary -- the screaming in the streets and the back-room political horse trading. "If there had been no rallies," she said, "the Court never would have heard the case."

I only watched the first fifteen seconds of the video, but that was all I needed to tell that its creator needs to learn that lesson. Plus the smugness really turned me off.