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The NSA wants to create a database of every call made in the USA. Obviously, this isn't so hot, because there are privacy concerns among those of us that aren't terrorists, and concerns that the information may be misused.

Here's an extreme example of how your personal information could be used against you. 5 years ago I'd say it was far fetched, but I'm not so sure about that anymore:

Clicky for a 5 minute flash movie

How long until the NSA wants access to our medical records too?

If you have high cholesterol, the terrorists have won!

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Date: 2006-05-11 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silver-huskey.livejournal.com
No double meat for you!

Somehow I don't find such a scenario to be shocking. -_-; A year or two ago I might have, but not anymore.

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Date: 2006-05-11 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giza.livejournal.com
> No double meat for you!

Yes, but can they stop me from drinking the oil from the deep frier? I think not!

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Date: 2006-05-11 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] furahi.livejournal.com
I have to say the movie made me laugh ;D

Though it's possible =P

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Date: 2006-05-11 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] furahi.livejournal.com
But not for a looooong looong time in Mexico

I hope the NSA is stopped

Date: 2006-05-11 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wildw0lf.livejournal.com
This news today obviously goes well beyond just spying on suspected terrorists. 10 million US citizens can't possibly all be involved with Terrorist organizations.

Re: I hope the NSA is stopped

Date: 2006-05-11 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giza.livejournal.com

The NSA is just doing what they're told to by the powers that be.
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Re: I hope the NSA is stopped

Date: 2006-05-11 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giza.livejournal.com
The worst thing that marketing firms are going to is send me snail mail ads which I'll toss in the trash. I have a whole lot more to fear from the government, such as being pulled into a small room and asked pointed questions because I jokingly said "jihad" while on the phone.

And I'm sure that the data won't be used to look up calling patterns of political rivals or other subversive groups that are operating within the confines of the law.

> The NSA *is* doing what they're told to by the powers at be--help defend the
> county against terrorists who may be operating within our own borders.

How does going through the phone records of what is it, tens of millions of Americans, going to help national security again?



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Re: I hope the NSA is stopped

Date: 2006-05-12 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giza.livejournal.com
> From the USA Today article: "This program does not involve the NSA listening
> to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to
> analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources
> said in separate interviews."

I was referring to Eschelon actually, since you decided to bring it up. Perhaps I should have clarified it in my original point.

> Has there been another attack on US soil since 9/11?
>
> Question answered.

Why yes, clearly going through phone records are the sole reason why there hasn't been another terrorist attack here. I'm so silly for wanting a more detailed answer.

> I could also point out that these same data-mining techniques have been
> used with success against organized crime networks.

Super. I'm willing to bet that not only were there warrants obtained, but that all the evidence was disclosed in trial, and hence became part of the public record. If a valid warrant has been obtained, then that is fine because there has been judicial oversight in the matter. Hey, even FISA warrants are okay, since there is is still judicial oversight.

I'm still not seeing how warrantless searches are a good thing, especially since warrants are pretty easy to obtain. And yes, I don't trust the Bush administration, especially after reading about abues of the PATRIOT act (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=patriot+act+abuses&btnG=Google+Search), which were told was necessary to protect us from the terrorists.

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Date: 2006-05-12 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khakiwolf.livejournal.com
Harper = Canada's Bush
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Date: 2006-05-12 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khakiwolf.livejournal.com
Yeah but still, I heard there was some MAJOR dick-sucking when Harper had his first meeting with Bush. Like we're gonna go all US-style conservative now.

I feel sorry for the next government, having to unfuck everything Harper did. =P

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Date: 2006-05-12 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khakiwolf.livejournal.com
GREY KHAKIS!!!

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